Et tu, Bob Kerrey

Bob Kerrey apparently joins TNR's Peter Beinart on the list of Democrats trying to make support for the Iraq War a litmus test for national security strength and fitness for party leadership.

Given how things have turned out in Iraq, this attempt to convert a policy disagreement over the Iraq War into a national security litmus test is the height of chutzpah.

For their part, Al Gore, Bob Graham and Howard Dean (who all supported the 1991 Gulf War to expel Iraq from Kuwait but opposed the 2002 Iraq War authorization vote) never implied that Bob Kerrey was too liberal to assume a leadership position in the Democratic Party because Bob Kerrey voted against the first Gulf War resolution in January 1991. And, if they had, they would at least had a little more compelling case for their position given how the two wars turned out.

Tim Noah of Slate had a great column in April about ostracizing the people who were right about the Iraq War.

http://www.slate.com/id/2105434

This quote from Noah's article sort of sums up the Beinart/Kerrey view:

"Not long ago, I spoke with a Democratic moderate about the war in Iraq. He said he considered support for the Iraq war to be a necessary prerequisite to assuming any powerful role in the party. It showed that the person in question was willing to project U.S. force abroad. But wait, I asked. Do you still think the Iraq war was a good idea? After some hemming and hawing, he admitted that he'd rather we hadn't gone in. Then why make support for a mistaken policy a litmus test? Because, he repeated, it shows that the person in question is willing to project U.S. force abroad."

Bob Kerrey is an independent voice and, in many ways, a constructive force within the Democratic Party. But he was also one of the principal Democratic enablers of the war in Iraq and his opposition to Dean --and his claim in today's New York Times that candidate (as opposed to Governor) Dean is too liberal "to keep people like me" in the Party-- is almost certainly based on Dean's strident opposition to a war that Kerrey strongly supported.

In Sept. 2002, Bob Kerrey wrote in the Wall Street Journal that the choice in Iraq "is between sustaining a military effort designed to contain Saddam Hussein and a military effort designed to replace him. In my mind the case for the second choice is overwhelming."

In this opinion piece, Kerrey expresses particular concern for the loss of 19 servicemen (in the Khober Towers bombing) and "more than $1 billion a year" spent "on a very real and very risky" military deployments to enforce no-fly zones and contain Iraq. How about a very real and more risky war, Mr. Kerrey, which in 18 months has cost us more than 100 years of containment?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002252

Despite the absence of WMD in Iraq, Kerrey continued his strong support for the war. In October 2003, Bob Kerrey stated: "Even if you can prove to me the president lied, you'll see; in 20 or 17 years, it'll be good. The bottom line is, I still support what the president did, which is authorize the United States to go in and remove Saddam Hussein from power." http://www.thevillager.com/villager_24/newschools.html

Kerrey, a former Democratic Senator from Nebraska, apparently joined the "faith based" contingent as he continued to insist at the end of 2003 (unlike Nebraska Republican Congressman Doug Bereuter or Nebraska Republican Senator Chuck Hagel) that Iraq is "going well. Twenty years from now, we'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who says it wasn't worth the effort." New York Sun, 12/29/03.

In today's New York Times article on the Dean speech, Kerrey, who Adam Nagourney quotes almost as much as the guy who gave the speech, says:

"If [Dean's] firing people up and he's saying we've got to swing to the left - it's harder to swing along with him. And hell, I live in New York City. I don't live in Nebraska anymore."

Maybe, judging by Nebraska Republicans like Bereuter and Hagel, Kerry would have a different view if he still lived in Nebraska.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/09/politics/09dean.html

Kerrey, by the way, is supporting cable television magnate, Leo J. Hindery Jr., as DNC Chairman. Hindery, you may recall, was a principal funder of anti-Dean Osama Bin Laden ads that were run in Iowa last year.


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All Blood On GOP Hands (none / 0)

in 15 or 20 years, Iraq is going to either a) be a fundimentalist Islamic state b) controlled by a strong much like saddam or c) three seperate countries.

There is no way Iraq will be a success in the eyes of history.  Democracy cannot be forced on anyone.

Dems should never put another national candidate up who voted for the war, or had any connection to the war at all.  This gets Hillary out of the running for sure.  And Biden, right?

This is a GOP mess.  The Dems need to make sure Americans know that.

When the "election" happens on Jan 30, and our troops are still dying, and aren't coming home, and nothing changes, people are gonna start to get mighty peeved at Bush.  At least, rational people would be.

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by pacified on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 05:03:30 PM EST

Forcing democracy (none / 0)

Democracy can be successfully "forced" on people.  It was with Germany and Japan.  I'm not saying it's easy or that our attempt to do so in Iraq is anything but an epic catastrophe, but it can be done.
by peter412 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 05:45:02 PM EST

Re: Forcing democracy (none / 0)

We can force democracy on others. Remember how we did it to Japan? We nuked them. President Bush doesn't have the guts to do what really needs to be done in the arab world, niether does the rest of America.

This war isn't over though, believe me. Anyhting can happen, but democracy will only come when the Iraqis havce a Shiite theocracy that fails.

by Christopher Hitchens on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 07:32:49 PM EST
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Re: Forcing democracy (none / 0)

Germany was democratic before Hitler came to power and their culture was very similar to ours. Japan had a social fabric that was receptive to democracy once the military dictatorship was removed and the Emperor was no longer divine. And the Japanese democracy today is rather different from Western democracies.

None of these conditions are present in Iraq.

Even more importantly, ALL the powers that shared the Axis' goals were thoroughly defeated. If they wanted to resist democracy, there was no one who could have possibly helped them.

Do you propose we crush all the Arab countries???

by enfant terrible on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 09:42:01 PM EST
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Bob Kerrey ...... (none / 0)

should be in jail for war crimes he committed in Vietnam, see the New York Times mag expose:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/25/magazine/25KERREY.html

and the feature from Antiwar:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j042701.html

by aruac on Fri Dec 10, 2004 at 06:18:03 AM EST

Don't Forget Bob Kerry Is A War Criminal (none / 0)

War criminals stick together. What else is new?

Why the consternation?

Why waste cogitation?

I want no part of unrepentent war criminals.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War were heroes, in large part because they volutnarily came forward and testified about the very sorts of things that Bob Kerry hid.  They are as worthy of everlasting praise as Bob Kerry is of everlasting shame and blame.

When Kerry truly repents of his war crimes, and begins to engage in the process of making reparations, then maybe I'll begin to listen to what he has to say.

Until then, he's the enemy. If he's in our camp, he's the enemy in our camp.

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 10, 2004 at 12:32:49 PM EST


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